Reader letters, Dec. 2

Nov 29, 2013

Americans fear their government

To the editor:

Our country has now reached a place in it’s history that has only occurred once before in it’s 237 years.

With Benghazi, fast and furious, the IRS, the NSA, Obamacare and a president that has no qualms about outright lying to the American public for personal political gain: We now have a populous that rightly fears the government.

I believe the only other time in history that any number of American citizens feared the government was immediately before the civil war.

Are we ready to turn over the few remaining rights we were guaranteed by our Constitution?

Inch by inch, day by day, we are slowly beginning to smell like a banana republic led by a clone of Hugo Chavez.

Then, with our current political environment, I thought I had seen the height of hypocrisy. I was very wrong.

A few years ago, as I was touring the Vatican and their museum, I could not have been more offended by the incalculable wealth represented by wall to wall priceless art and gold appointments.

A great deal of the assets of the Vatican were extracted from some of the poorest people on the planet in South and Central America, as well as their assistance to many of the Nazis, providing them ways to disappear to South America in exchange for stolen artwork during WWII.

There are rumors of retired nuns literally starving while the occupants of the Vatican enjoy the life afforded them in the wealthiest country in the world.

Just yesterday, the Pope issued an 84 page condemnation of capitalism and criticizing the wealthy for not redistributing their wealth. This is truly the most hypocritical thing I have ever seen.

Bruce Gardner


Comments (3)
Posted by: Charles Zimmerman | Nov 30, 2013 09:15



        You are absolutely correct about the vatican. But entirely wrong about the rest. As a long time member of several organizations that protect civil liberties, I do not fear my gov't. Benghzi has been quite well investigated. Obama had nothing todo with it whatsoever. Fast and furious was the bush-babie's boondogle. The IRS was doing their job as proscribed by US. The only organization penalized was a "liberal" group run I believe by nuns. But of course conservatives don't address the fact that not one of their ilk was punished. NSA was again another of bush-babies screw-ups that has lingered and festered too long. ACA will be productive soon.

           The "Obamonater" was saddled with two unfunded wars, unfunded pill program, huge deficit,  unconstitutional mandates provided by the Patriot Act etc, etc. Everything considered I think he has done quite well. Especially as the republicans only objective was to undermine and defeat him.

            Barb and I had our home phone tapped for several years by the bush-baby. Started not long after I had an editorial posted in the Citizen-times that stated "no terrorist has ever attacked OUR Constitution. george WAR bush has". I was calling home from the Akrom Ohio area after loading roofing material and when certain words/phrases were used, the phone would clickity clack clack. Then a local cop came along side me at the McDonalds on  US250 south of US 30. Sat there for about 20 minuites. Followed me out of town when I left. This happened over and over. After about a year we stopped worrying and took note that certain words/phrases got more clickity clacks than others. rumsfield got the most action. Curious, ain't it? Evidently a computer generated search. Only affected home phone.


                Chuck Z.

Posted by: Scott Lilly | Dec 02, 2013 10:05

Mr. Zimmerman, this should put your mind at ease about how tapping works and has worked at least for the last 15 years.  The NSA "captures" raw digital data as it goes over the phone companies core fiber optic cables.  NSA stores an unspecified great volume of data that amounts to a historical record.  When something bad happens (like when the World Trade towers were knocked down), a presidential order can allow review of that historical record by manual and automated processes looking for specific content.  Nobody knows what percentage of calls are captured in those raw data collections.  And only people with government clearances know how long that raw data is kept.  But I assure you, if the NSA wanted to listen in on your phone conversations, you would not perceive any clicking sounds as might have been the case when copper-wire listening devices were used in the 1950's.  And it's highly unlikely that local law enforcement would have any tie to the NSA expect in extreme circumstances.


That being said, there is a trend of categorization that you might concern yourself about.  Read between the lines when the head of the NSA testifies before congress that he's limited in what he can do and is unable to eavesdrop on a random American.  Interpretation of that claim might explain why there are a growing number of official lists that categorize regular Americans as "potential terrorists" if you talk about "individual liberties", advocate for states rights, and too many other categories to list.  With broad-sweeping lists such as those, most any American with a specific and spoken knowledge of The Constitution could end up on that list -- and some might say become a valid/legal target of NSA tapping.  Perhaps this is the point of Mr. Gardner's note to the editor.


You can find some "categorization lists" here:  (I make no representation as to the credibility of the content but at least one national news organization posted one of these documents.)


Posted by: Scott Lilly | Mar 18, 2014 19:06
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